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Is There Life OUTSIDE of Seminary? (Letters to a Young Pastor)

July 28, 2016 by Gary Neal Hansen 2 Comments

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Dear ______:

I agree: when you are in seminary it can be hard to build relationships beyond that intense Christian community. But you do need a life OUTSIDE of seminary.

When I wrote to recommend that you have a real church home while in seminary (despite the comings and goings for field education and so forth) I was thinking about that.

I went to a large seminary and the student body was pretty diverse in many ways. It wasn’t that we all thought alike, that is for sure. But as the buildings on the perimeter of the campus faced inward to the quad, that community tended to focus pretty constantly on itself.

Sometimes it was obsession with an upcoming event, when first year students had their first OT midterm, or when the seniors sat for their ordination exams. On campus you could hardly talk about anything else — while in the world at large it didn’t matter at all.

Other times it was more subtle: students would want to raise a protest about some horrible thing in the world (there are always serious problems to shed a light on) and we would try get the faculty and administration to sign onto petitions and declarations.

Seminary community life is very different for students and for faculty, and inevitably the roiling passions of the students met with resistance from faculty and administration — even when those very faculty members were actively working on those same issues on the national stage.

You need a life OUTSIDE of seminary

Nothing adds perspective to your life inside a campus community like real relationships OUTSIDE that campus.

One woman in my seminary class always seemed more level headed than the rest of us. She wasn’t worried about the ups and downs that consumed most of us.

It turned out she was a member of a local ski club. She had good friends whose lives were lived in other orbits.

That kept her sane during her studies. I suspect it also served her very well in ministry after seminary.

You’ll need a life OUTSIDE the church

Here’s the deal: if you become a pastor of a church it becomes very hard to ever even meet people outside the church. If you have any hope of preaching to anyone outside the proverbial choir, you’d better figure out how to have some friends in the larger world.

Blessings,

Gary

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  1. Fr. Dustin says

    July 30, 2016 at 10:52 AM

    Hi Gary,

    I’m thinking about this post and a previous post about seminary not being “church.” My seminary experience, and approach, was quite different. There, we were driven by two ideals, as I see it:

    1) We are a community and the climax of community life is communing together at the Lord’s chalice. We lived together, ate together, prayed vespers and matins together every day, and studied together, so it only made since that we would celebrate the Eucharist every Sunday together. This is the act that makes us brothers and sisters in Christ, after all.

    2) It was a time of formation and learning the ascetic life – yes, we are called to asceticism, even in the world. Many saints withdrew from the world for prayer and reflection. Jesus did it after his baptism, and St. John Chrysostom did it before he was able to preach some of the best sermons every heard. My seminary experience, in many ways, was like that. We had to withdraw from the world and immerse ourselves in a cycle of prayer and study so that we could be formed into our roles as priests, pastors, ministers, chaplains, etc. It was “boot camp” to prepare us for spiritual warfare.

    This seems like the opposite of what you’re proposing, so my questions is: is there a balance? A best of both worlds?

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    • Gary Neal Hansen says

      August 3, 2016 at 9:25 AM

      Thanks for this thoughtful reply, Fr. Dustin. Sorry that in the craziness of my new life in Pittsburgh I didn’t find it and reply sooner.

      Yes, what you experienced is a far different kind of seminary education than one finds in most of the Protestant world. It sounds quite similar to what I saw at another friend’s Roman Catholic seminary. The approach in both Catholic and Orthodox seminaries looks more like an immersion in monastic life — or may be one should say “semi-monastic” since it is both temporary and built alongside formal academic degree programs.

      Personally I think Protestant theological education will stand a better chance of fulfilling its objectives if it learns from the Orthodox and the Catholic, creating more formal intentional community life. The odds are stacked against that in Protestantism, but it has more promise of actually forming lives of mature disciples and competent ministers than what we are doing now.

      My experience is of Protestant seminaries, and most of my readers (at least those I know about!) are Protestant, so that’s where these letters are grounded.

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